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[here comes the preamble. It's thoughtful and considered.] In the past couple of days, Mr Sexby attacked individuals he characterised as 'innocent', 'a soldier' and a 'old' man and his dog.

He seemed to believe, out of an assumption that the Admiral is influenced by emotional pleas, that where the human harm failed, he would have succeeded had he assaulted the Marquis' canine.

I considered this odd, but dismissed it as dry humour and irrelevant.

Then once the Marquis made a network post of his own, admittedly about finding medical treatment for that dog, I saw two individuals apparently horrified about the victimisation of the animal to the degree that it overcame their feelings concerning the assault of the Marquis.

[And the question: she's genuinely uneasy and puzzled.] While I would agree that the animal being harmed is regrettable, I don't understand why hurting the Marquis had an excuse, yet there would be no possible excuse for hurting the animal. Is his attack not the greater injustice?

Date: 23/9/11 07:10 pm (UTC)
acid_rayne: (Art - Grumble)
From: [personal profile] acid_rayne
Excuses aren't the same as reasonable explanations.

Date: 23/9/11 07:20 pm (UTC)
acid_rayne: (Forehead)
From: [personal profile] acid_rayne
Look, just file it under 'your mileage may vary'... God knows, I raise enough objections against what's meant to be the prevailing wind of opinion, around here.

Date: 23/9/11 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
Perhaps I'm curious as to what mileage would cause such a dissidence.

Date: 23/9/11 07:30 pm (UTC)
acid_rayne: (Art - Sit)
From: [personal profile] acid_rayne
Personal opinions.

If you came aboard hoping for consistency and common sense, you're on the wrong ship.

Date: 23/9/11 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
I came on board to redeem an inmate. Personal opinions don't tend to appear one day unprompted.

Date: 23/9/11 07:41 pm (UTC)
acid_rayne: (Art - Revolver)
From: [personal profile] acid_rayne
Good for you. Because this is one long trip of psychedelic confusion.

Date: 23/9/11 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
Ah. [Because what do you say to that?]

Date: 23/9/11 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicebluehat.livejournal.com
[Pet owner incoming.] Domesticated animals are treated nearly equal to children in many human societies. I think the reaction comes from a similar place as if his dog had been his baby daughter.

Date: 24/9/11 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
[That's just stupid, Naoto.] Domesticated animals are capable of defending themselves. Babies are not.

Date: 24/9/11 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicebluehat.livejournal.com
They certainly are, but for their care they're dependent on their human owners, like children are to their parents. There's also the bond between human and animal: it's certainly not like the relations between humans, but the type of affection is...

...it's difficult to quantify and needs to be experienced to be fully understood, I think.

Date: 24/9/11 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
We are not talking about the Marquis' reaction to the animal being hurt, we're talking about those who don't own the animal, thus have no such bond.

Date: 24/9/11 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicebluehat.livejournal.com
No, I understand that. It's a sympathetic reaction, for the reasons I described. If you had seen someone's child injured as an attempt to hurt the father, how would you react?

Date: 24/9/11 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
As we established, a child is not an animal.

Date: 24/9/11 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicebluehat.livejournal.com
As I just explained, they hold analogous relationships, at least in the society I'm from and in many human societies.

Date: 24/9/11 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
But they are not analogous. Children are often the same species, they have thoughts, opinions. They are people. The Marquis is a person. An animal, particularly one with whom you do not have a relationship with, is not.

To imply that there could conceivably be an excuse for his beating while there couldn't possibly be one for the non-sentient creature with canine teeth, defending its owner, is unacceptable.

Date: 24/9/11 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicebluehat.livejournal.com
I don't believe there was any excuse for it. But attacking a man who is part of a system you perceive to be unjust - whether it is or not - is one matter. A bystander, especially one who doesn't comprehend the situation, and can't, can only understand that someone else is in danger? There's no excuse or that, either.

Date: 24/9/11 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
I am not discussing whether or not Sexby's actions were just. Sexby is being held accountable.

But individuals caring for the welfare of an animal before the welfare of the target of an assault is disturbing, particularly given, that that creature, as you say, couldn't possibly understand their concern. On the post of the man who had been attacked, implying that there was no excuse for the animal to get hurt.

Date: 24/9/11 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicebluehat.livejournal.com
[after a long time, because Naoto's starting to get a little frustrated and is trying to behave herself] For the reasons I explained. They're more concerned about a creature they see as an innocent.

Date: 25/9/11 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
I am aware of that, that does not make it right or even sensible.

USELESS COMMENT.

Date: 25/9/11 07:31 am (UTC)
ifightfor: (search)
From: [personal profile] ifightfor
[Rinzler is totally watching this because he doesn't get it either.]

Date: 25/9/11 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-annika.livejournal.com
[Users are IDIOTS, Rinzler, IDIOTS!]

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